Hiya folks thanks for joining us in the virtual RGM lounge today, grab a brew and take a seat.

What made you decide to start the band?

Charlie: Well really like, Tyler’s other project sort of gradually dissolved but he still wanted to do something. He just invited me round to jam, and then it was sounding alright, but we didn’t have a drummer, so then we just asked Kurt if he wanted to come play drums, and he said yeah

Tyler: And we figured out how to all play our instruments and here we are

Kurt: I’m still trying to figure that out

Charlie: It was never really a decision was it? It was just like let’s just do this for some fun and then suddenly

Kurt: It just happened

Tyler: One Saturday we all just met up and said “Hey boys, let’s start a band”. Nah.

Introduce us to all to the members and your musical history?

Tyler: Hi, my name’s Tyler. I used to be in a band called Bird Brain Mafia and well, we did some stuff didn’t we as a band, and then suddenly we didn’t do any stuff. And then musical history, I got a triple distinction at BTEC level in music, and then I knew after that moment that I was a musical LEGEND

Charlie: That was for Twenty & Dead though wasn’t it?

Tyler: I mean the project on the whole was like, one aspect of one module was to make a song using augmented, dissonant chords, odd time and shit and so, Twenty & Dead was born.

Kurt: I’m Kurt, I work at Wickes. I’ve been playing drums now for two years. I listen to a lot of music, that’s it. I’ve got zero musical history.

Tyler: You’re a taste maker you know. You either go yeah that’s good or nah that’s shit, and we all take you at your word because you’re always right.

Kurt: Most of the time

Charlie: For me, I played guitar, I had lessons since I was six until I was about 18 and then just hated it so I stopped. And then I did music GCSE and got an A

Tyler: Go on

Charlie: Yeah I know, and then yeah just one day out of the blue, just got asked to play some bass. Oh nah I played bass in your band at the Crown and Treaty. I wore a hazmat suit.

Tyler: Walter White

Charlie: I also had like one rehearsal so I had no idea what I was doing, and had to go on stage and just basically play along at the back without actually knowing the songs

Kurt: It’s easy playing bass, just turn down the amp.

What’s one question you’re sick of being asked when interviewed?

Tyler: I don’t hate being asked questions in an interview because I have never been interviewed. Nah I’ve only been interviewed once for music-related stuff. 

Charlie: This is all brand new to me. 

We set up RGM USA to share music with america and the UK, good idea?

Charlie: I mean It’s always a good idea to share music across country boundaries because some people in America like might have a different taste and might actually like some of the stuff. Psychedelic Porn Crumpets for example, where like they were playing in Australia but couldn’t get a break, and then came over here and suddenly they found an audience that really liked their stuff. 

Tyler: Also now that we are nothing to do with Europe, soon enough England’s gonna be the 51st state innit so probably best that we keep good ties with America. 

Do you sign up to any conspiracy theories?

Tyler: Yeah, the Earth is doughnut-shaped

Charlie: Nah I dunno, I think that potentially the first moon landing might not have been genuine. 

Kurt: I can see that

Charlie: Just because of like, the tensions that were there at the time and the race against Russia to get to the moon, and there’s so many dodgy things about that moon landing. Do you really think that the flag would’ve been waving around like that you know what I mean?

Tyler: I do, that’s the conspiracy theory I believe. All the gravity things that people are telling us about the moon are wrong and has the same gravity as Earth. I don’t think that we’re actually real. 

Charlie: What about area 51? Do you think they have aliens?

Tyler: I don’t know

Kurt: It might be something

Charlie: I think Area 51 is a ploy

Kurt: There’s another site

Charlie: Yeah yeah I think Area 51 is a location that everybody knows of where they’ve got all this information and all these aliens and things, but they’ve actually got it in Area 50, or something like that

Tyler: Why have they got so many areas?

Kurt: I don’t know though, you approach Area 51 and you see all the armed guards

Charlie: Yeah it’s a bit mental

Kurt: It’s a bit nuts

Tyler: If you get into Area 51’s airspace you can just get shot down can’t you?

Kurt: I do wonder what’s in Area 51. Maybe they’ve got Osama Bin Laden still alive there, Hitler still alive there

Charlie: What about Tupac?

Kurt: Yeah maybe Tupac’s there

Tyler: Have they got like a members-only bar like where they all just go

Kurt: Princess Diana will be there, the real Queen is probably there. There’s another one I’m sure. The Queen’s a reptile.

Tyler: Avril Lavigne’s not really Avril Lavigne

Charlie: Doesn’t Matt Bellamy believe that? That the world’s run by reptiles.

Tyler: Yeah yeah yeah, he built a nuclear bunker I believe. 

Did you buy anything you don’t need in the pandemic?

Kurt: I didn’t need to buy all that beer, but I did

Tyler: Oh yeah oh my days, so much beer. So so much. But then I suppose I did need that because music got created out of it. Maybe not out of the beer itself but

Kurt: Do we really need to buy anything?

Tyler: Possession is an illusion

Kurt: Regardless of the pandemic

What useless party trick do you have?

Tyler: I can balance a pool cue on my pinky finger. I think everyone can it’s just no one’s tried. 

Charlie: It’s not really a useless party trick but Kurt can pop open a bottle with a lighter

Kurt: Yeah but a lot of people can do that. I can probably do it with paper, I can do it with a seatbelt, not that I condone drinking and driving.

Tyler: J2O bottles have that cap, you can drink that and drive.

Kurt: You could

Tyler: I can solve a Rubik’s cube now

Charlie: Do you wanna put that to the test?

Tyler: Yeah bring it

Charlie: How quick can you do it? 

Tyler: It depends, about four minutes 

 ~proceeds to solve Rubik’s cube in 3 minutes 27 seconds~

What was the most fun you have had on stage?

Charlie: I guess the most fun gig for me was the Workshop one

Tyler: Yeah that was a good time, packed out with people for a start. The thing is, where do you derive your fun from? ‘Cause like that Fiddler’s one we played, we played such a good set I was so happy with how that set went just from a musical perspective. 

Kurt: Yeah I liked that one, and the Workshop

Tyler: The Reading show as well, that was quite funny because matey turned around and said he thought it was gonna be a shit show but it was actually alright in the end. That’s quite jokes.

Charlie: The Reading one was cool. I remember when you took off your shoes and threw your socks into the crowd

Kurt: Yeah I liked the Reading show, those are top three for me.

What was the worst experience on stage?

Kurt: Oh I’ve had countless

Charlie: The kick pedal broke just before you were about to go on weren’t it?

Kurt: Yeah Tyler broke the kick when he played, and then the kick broke again.  

Tyler: I don’t think we’ve ever really had a bad time on stage

Kurt: At Trinity, I’ve had Tyler’s Headrush fall and the crash come off as well completely

Charlie: And the first time we played ever, the first proper show at Trinity when Tyler broke a string within the first like 5 seconds of playing and then carried on the rest of the set without it. I thought that was rock and roll.

Kurt: When we played at the George as well ‘cause it rained and there was just a big puddle above my head

Tyler: To me, none of these scream like bad experiences on stage, it’s just shit happens. I remember a couple of years ago I played a show with Bird Brain Mafia where I got very very drunk before I played and it just went tits up very quickly. I was so bad at playing that I got so annoyed at myself and I couldn’t hack it, and kinda threw/kicked my guitar at the wall. That was pretty bad in terms of worst experience on stage, that wasn’t great. But then after, that kind of forced us to a point where we had to calm down and just focus on playing the music

Charlie: Mistakes are made to learn from 

Tyler: Yeah exactly

Tell us something about each member that you think people would be surprised about?

Tyler: I can solve a Rubik’s cube. I’ve played Knights of Cydonia in front of Muse, well not the whole of Muse, but just the keyboardist. That was strange. We’d been preparing to play Knights of Cydonia within our 15 minute allotted time, and then on the day they turn around and said “Oh we’ve got the keyboardist from Muse as one of the judges”.

Charlie: To be fair that was mad, like being in the crowd for that was crazy

Kurt: That was nuts, that was actually nuts

Tyler: So yeah you might not know that

Kurt: Dunno, I’m forklift certified.

Charlie: I guess maybe me like, I’ve got a degree in chemistry, you wouldn’t necessarily think that. I’m pretty good at table tennis as well

Kurt: I’ve only been playing drums for two years

If you had to describe your band/music to an alien how would you describe it?

Kurt: Bleep bleep blop

Charlie: It depends like, what kind of aliens are we talking about? Are we talking about super-intelligent beings or are we talking about like little cells on a distant planet?

Kurt: I guess it has to be a full like

Charlie: Full-blown intergalactic traveler alien

Kurt: Yeah like Alien vs Predator

Tyler: What’s their point of reference? Do you say “Ah we’re a high-octane, energetic rock band” they might be like “what do any of those words mean? Explain”. Let me try and put it into terms that an alien will understand. If you’ve made the jump to hyperspace, then you’ve got our music. 

Charlie: Can they speak English?

Kurt: Let’s just assume that they can and that they understand

Tyler: They can only speak Spanish

What makes you stand out as a band?

Charlie: We draw a lot of influence from a lot of different places, and I don’t think I’ve heard people produce similar style songs. 

Tyler: Even to some extent, a lot of the bands we play with, although we’ve played with an amass of different bands, there’s not been a band that we’ve played with that we sound like. You know, not saying “okay, this time we’re gonna write a rock song that’s about the will for world peace”, “this time we’re gonna write a rock song that’s to do with this”. You know, all of these songs kinda come organically, and just whatever sounds right at the time. What makes us stand out is the fact that you’re not gonna get too many instances where you’re gonna have two things that sound the same next to each other. 

Kurt: Yeah we try and switch it up

Charlie: The way that they’re so catchy yet so technical, I don’t hear that a lot because it’s either one or the other – it’s either really catchy or it’s like super technical.

Kurt: The only other band that does that is King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard.

Tyler: I think that’s always what we’ve always sort of enjoyed like, ‘cause even something that could be labled as inaccessible would be something like The Dillinger Escape Plan, and to some extent they’ve got kind of mainstream success for a very very underground sounding band. And that’s something we’ve always appreciated. 

Kurt: I’d even say like Mastodon do it pretty well, especially with The Hunter, Once More Round the Sun, those two albums there

Tyler: Even going back, Leviathan, I mean, technical as it may be, and underground as it may be

Kurt: It still had that mainstream sound

Tyler: And that’s what we’ve always appreciated

Right now, what’s pissing you off the most?

Charlie: Super cliche but just the government, like what are you doing?

Tyler: The fact that there’s just division about anything and everything, the things that are supposed to be bringing us closer together in our humanity are just driving us further apart. I could go on and on, how long have you got?

What’s your favourite song to play live and why?

Charlie: Mine is Loose Lips, I think that’s my favourite one to play. 

Tyler: Yeah probably same

Charlie: Just ‘cause it’s fast-paced, it’s a fun, nice, energetic song but then it’s also that loopy bit at the end. It just builds into this big thing, and when we hit the loop right it feels really good. 

Tyler: Yeah that and Small Inconvenience as well

Kurt: Small Inconvenience gives me a bit of a breather as well. I like the thrash element to it and I like the bluesy doomy bits to it.

Tyler: And then also the jam at the end, it’s like nicely structured. It just feels like lot’s of dopamine when you play that shit, it’s just kinda nice.

Kurt: For me, in terms of the rush, I get a big rush. Alright yeah from Loose Lips it’s cool, but just going through all the different stages of Twenty & Dead, I love it.

Tyler: It’s the oldest song in the book but I still love playing that.

Kurt: That’s quite an energetic one to play, and it just goes through a lot of different beats and stuff so that’s a really fun one to play.

Tyler: Also probably Sink Ships as well, just on account of the fact that it was really difficult to write and put together. Out of all of the songs, I think that was the one I spent the most time on because it was difficult to get it right. And so now when it’s translated to live, that’s not an easy song to play by any means, but when we hit it and we do it really really well, it’s really gratifying. 

Kurt: It’s a cute one as well that, I like that one ‘cause it’s cute. Pulls on the heart strings.

I hear you have a new single/album/ep, what can you tell us about it?

Kurt: It’s called “Eleven”

Tyler: It’s nine minutes of lot’s of different things we like. I wanna say there’s like seven noticeable sections across that nine minutes. And each one kind of displays a different attribute of us and what’s to come really. We don’t plan to sit still. I think we maybe use this opportunity to give some shout outs to some of the people that were involved: Dax Liniere from Puzzle Factory Studios has helped us record it, the video was produced by

Charlie: James Stittle and Sam Rockman from Daisy Chain Video

Tyler: And they’ve done stuff with, what’s that band?

Charlie: PENGSHUi

Tyler: PENGSHUi yeah yeah yeah, so yeah it was really cool to have help from those guys

Charlie: The venue that they got us for the video was really cool

Tyler: Yeah it was the Camden Open Air Gallery where we filmed the music video. Then lastly, artwork created by our friend Sasha Morley, she did a fantastic job of putting together the artwork. It was quite nice to have it done by someone that we know and are friends with really. In as far as what we can tell you about the track, I suppose that covers most grounds. If you wanna know what it’s about, it’s about people labelling your shit as misbehaviour when really it’s not and you’re just doing things that make you happy. 

Talk me through the thought process of the single?

Tyler: Twenty & Dead was written first, and it’s about a thing that happened in a relationship I was in and all the fears and shit that came as a result. And then how they all got resolved in the end. And then Eleven came about ‘cause I got very drunk with Kurt one night on wine, and the riff came into my head. And then I was like “shit, I need to make a song and then write some lyrics”, and then the lyrics were the first things that came to my head. Ended up being about going to school – okay it’s a very specific thing, they had like this project you were supposed to do where you kinda make your own brief on the project you wanna do, and then you have this length of time to complete it. My idea was to make an EP of songs and then play them live, and then they said that I couldn’t do that because it was unachievable. And so I got rejected from the course, and then I went and did that anyway with a band and so it’s a bit like well, you said I couldn’t, but then I went and did it anyway. It’s a bit of a rallying call for anyone who every feels like that, just to say like you can do it. You don’t need other people’s validation.

What was the recording process like?

Charlie: It was a real nice space. First time ever being in like a professional studio for me

Kurt: Yeah same, and it felt comfortable. 

Charlie: It was very comfortable, Dax was really really calm, he had really good advice

Kurt: Very patient

Charlie: Very very patient. It was just fun, and we got along with him he’s a really nice guy.

Kurt: It was definitely a good learning experience

Tyler: He had lot’s of good advice for us as well, there’s things that we went in sort of not knowing, and where problems arose in getting things done, he always had something up his sleeve.

Kurt: “Yeah yeah it’s fine don’t worry about it, I’ve got this, we can do this”

Tyler: Some of the drum stuff where he was trying to help us get into the tempo of it a little bit more, and he had his methods of helping out to do that. So that was a really cool thing that he was able to help out with. Some of the advice he gave us with the actual tracking as well, like the way I did one thing in the demo, and then he just offered an alternative, but the alternative always ended up being quite a cool thing. Sometimes where it would be like “no we wanna keep the original thing” he’d be happy enough with that, he wouldn’t challenge us too much. So it was a good working relationship, and you know, trying to find the best outcome for both producer and band, and that was the case throughout so it was very nice. 

Charlie: He was also able to listen to what Tyler had to say, and then found out something new that he didn’t know, and then wanted to incorporate that into what he was doing. I quite liked that.

What was the biggest learning curve in writing the single?

Charlie: Try and over-estimate how long things are going to take, because I think that we were a bit naive in thinking that we could get everything done in like one or two days. 

Tyler: In terms of learning curve, don’t settle. If there’s something that you wanna change and you’re just not happy with, make sure you make that known, because it’s better to get it perfect than just be like, okay with it. 

Would you change anything now it’s finished?

Charlie: I don’t think I would

Tyler: Nah not really. Again like, we were kind of conscious about just not saying yes to the first thing we were given. We made the changes that we found were necessary at the time. 

What are your plans for the year ahead?

Is there anything else you would like to share with the world?

Tyler: Plans for the year ahead? Keep playing shows, keep recording new songs, keep getting them released. Try and write some new songs, keep enjoying myself and having a laugh. Try and excel at the things that we’re trying to do. Message for the world? Be excellent to each other and party on dudes.